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    I am convinced that the American and European...

    I am convinced that the American and European markets are completely different, mainly because of the anti-pollution standards applied throughout Europe. In Belgium, for example, the Z8, which has...
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    My goal is to show that the Z8 market, like many...

    My goal is to show that the Z8 market, like many other vehicles, is subject to speculation by some sellers who are willing to wait years and lie to make a profit. I think it's a shame because I've...
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    Thank you for your feedback!

    Thank you for your feedback!
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    The cup holder mystery thickens.

    The cup holder mystery thickens.
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    That would make sense: cup holder with EU spec,...

    That would make sense: cup holder with EU spec, the production year is the same (2000) and the mileage is 10.000km (now 14.700km). LetοΏ½s hope Karsten will be able to unravel the mystery.
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    Thank you, Karsten! WBAEJ11030AF77705

    Thank you, Karsten! WBAEJ11030AF77705
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    I've asked the seller and the VIN is AF77... So...

    I've asked the seller and the VIN is AF77... So it's definitely not a US version. But I still doubt it's a European version, who would add a cup holder? The seller says the car is 100% German, it was...
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    There's something I really don't understand with...

    There's something I really don't understand with the cup holder. I see a cup holder base on this car but the title mentions explicitly that the car is a German version....
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    I mean that this price is probably the lowest in...

    I mean that this price is probably the lowest in 5-10 years (in Europe). Just look at the results of other Z8 auctions from Bonhams for instance:...
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    Record-breaking price for this Z8 sold yesterday...

    Record-breaking price for this Z8 sold yesterday by Bonhams: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26494/lot/47/?category=list&length=96&page=1#/! If you compare it to this car (about the same mileage and...
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    Indeed, but my budget is much lower (around...

    Indeed, but my budget is much lower (around €110-120k) so I doubt they would accept my offer :)
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    New price drop on that Korean Z8. €50 000 less in...

    New price drop on that Korean Z8. €50 000 less in less than 2 weeks, it doesn’t look very professional for a dealer.
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    I've been searching to know if this South Korean...

    I've been searching to know if this South Korean Z8 has been modified but it's difficult to find an image of a South Korean Z8 on the Internet. All I know for certain is that Japanese Z8 have no...
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    Thanks, Ton! I guess this one mentioned above is...

    Thanks, Ton! I guess this one mentioned above is probably also from Asia or the Middle East: https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=296396147&damageUnrepaired
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    Well observed! Hence the the speedometer in km as...

    Well observed! Hence the the speedometer in km as well.
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    US version very well camouflaged (look at the cup...

    US version very well camouflaged (look at the cup holder base)!
    Link:...
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    Here's another €30 000 price cut (European...

    Here's another €30 000 price cut (European version).
    Link: https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=302516106
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    Link :...

    Link : https://www.autoscout24.be/fr/offres/bmw-z8-roadster-essence-argent-6f55779d-6f25-4124-b4c8-009cdde66f2f?cldtidx=6&cldtsrc=listPage
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    Great price for this EU import with only 5.690...

    Great price for this EU import with only 5.690 miles:
    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/812273601/overview/
    https://www.mcguireautosalesal.com/details.php?idCar=635
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    My impression is that color affects the asking...

    My impression is that color affects the asking price less than mileage does. But sellers definitely ask more for stratus grey and topaz blue and there's not much difference between titanium silver...
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    The one at €169 000 with 36 456 km got sold in...

    The one at €169 000 with 36 456 km got sold in just a few days.
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    I totally agree with you and that's probably what...

    I totally agree with you and that's probably what I am going to do in the next few months. But I want to take the time, this is an important investment for me and I don't want to have regrets.
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    Right now, I'm just watching the market. I prefer...

    Right now, I'm just watching the market. I prefer to wait, I think it's really not the right time. Especially since I'm observing a downward trend (at least in Europe) and my budget is limited.
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    Link:...

    Link: https://www.autoscout24.de/angebote/bmw-z8-4-9-navi-leder-xenon-klima-benzin-silber-d09570d1-0511-4db4-b5c3-1a91ea69b583?cldtidx=2&cldtsrc=listPage
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    I'm not worried about what dealers are asking,...

    I'm not worried about what dealers are asking, because most of them know the market very well and charge correct prices. To use your words, I'm simply a potential buyer willing to pay whatever I feel...
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    That tax is very expensive indeed. And you have...

    That tax is very expensive indeed. And you have to add another tax of about €5000 when you register the car!

    When I look at the ads, I realize that there really is a two-speed market. There are...
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    I agree that it's not so relevant and that it's...

    I agree that it's not so relevant and that it's hard to know how much these cars will sell for. The only indication we have is the price cuts. I took screenshots of two impressive price cuts...
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    I just wanted to draw attention to the practices...

    I just wanted to draw attention to the practices of some dealers/sellers. Not all of them obviously! This weekend, I read the car description of a dealer who has 3 Z8 for sale in Belgium. In each of...
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    I hadn't compared two silver/black yet. Here's an...

    I hadn't compared two silver/black yet. Here's an example (both European cars and both 2-owner cars): the price difference is €80 000 while the more expensive of both has 7 500 km more. Besides, the...
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    They are all for sale in Germany, except for two...

    They are all for sale in Germany, except for two of them (one red/red in Belgium and one silver/red in Austria).
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    I totally agree with you but even with an...

    I totally agree with you but even with an extremely meticulous detail like this one: https://youtu.be/XDoPPSyqu5o such huge price differences are not justified IMO.
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    And another example: two red/black: the price...

    And another example: two red/black: the price difference is €149 859 while the more expensive of both has 1 600 km more. I really wonder on what basis dealers set their prices.

    Links:...
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    Here's another example, of two red/red this time:...

    Here's another example, of two red/red this time: the price difference is €139 000 and the more expensive of both has 7 850 km less. I'm sure you could find another Z8 for €139 000!

    Links:...
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    Thanks for your opinion, Karsten! You are right,...

    Thanks for your opinion, Karsten! You are right, I didn't pick the right car for the black/black comparison. Maybe this EU car with 2 owners would have been better:...
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    This site only lists ads indeed. It then links...

    This site only lists ads indeed. It then links back to the ads, so it's reliable. I only use the search bar on this website and if you enter Ferrari FF for instance, you'll find many ads. For the...
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    I agree that many of those z8's have been listed...

    I agree that many of those z8's have been listed for sale for many months or even many years. It's a sad thing because those cars should be driven by enthusiasts and not displayed in dealerships....
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    Price differences

    Hello everyone,

    For many years now, I've been watching the ads of z8 for sale on the Internet every day, and I've been surprised lately that the prices of comparable vehicles vary so much. Here...
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