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    Has anyone ever painted their car?

    I know it probably takes the collector value down a little but this thing would look so cool in Icebox white (GM paint) or fly yellow or British racing green, esppecially with a crema interior. Anybody ever seen a non factory color?

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    If you take some time to scroll through the 'what's my color' thread you'll see a few different resprays and quite a lot of wraps.
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    To do a proper color change on a Z8 would take a tremendous amount of work. The car would need to be completely disassembled including removing the engine. Properly done, I think the bill would go north of $25,000 and once done, your car would be worth a lot less money. I would only do this knowing these facts going in and not caring.
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    A wrap would be the way to go, just for fun... change it every few years! Look at this thread too.... go for it!

    http://bmwz8.us/vbb/showthread.php?t...ghlight=colors

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    I believe the cost would be $40k for an excellent paint job or maybe as low as $10k for a quick job not done that well.

    I think you're talking about possibly a 50% hit to the residual value of the vehicle so say a typical Z8 is worth $100k. $40k for paint + $50k for loss of value = $90k true cost.

    You might end up with a better paint job than from the factory, but the way the market works, it will kill you for this.

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    Thanks, sounds like you are right. I would just love a white/crema car. And as Emily Dickenson said,"the heart wants what it wants."

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    You're welcome. I think the simplest way to achieve this with the least downside is to find a car in a color you also like besides white (topaz?) with crema interior and then get it wrapped. There are very good results achieved with these wraps. Im not sure if there are long term affects but in the mean time you can have your white car and if / when you decide to sell you won't get destroyed.

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    There was a White car with subtle but gorgeous fender flaring (and upsized wheels and tires) out of Japan that Andrew (I think) posted a picture of.

    I am sure it was paint. It was done superbly to say the least.

    I have looked but not found the picture again.
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    COOL!!!

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    That is it! Thank you for finding it.

    Man, who ever did the body work did an incredible job. Whether you like the flares and nose/spoiler fascia or not, you have to admit that is exemplary craftsmanship.

    Wow. Wish we knew the details.

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    Reprint

    I have a 2001 black/black. The paint is in very good shape but it's not perfect. I've read the thread about doing a reps ray in a different color, but can the car be done in its original color in a way that does not detract for the value? I'd like to make the paint perfect if I could and would be willing to pay whatever it takes. Starte

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    I would imagine with an open checkbook, all it takes it the right facility.

    I would think if done right, it would not detract from the car's value.
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    I agree with 2112. The car must be fully disassembled, stripped and prepped correctly, and painted with the proper paint. I would also leave some "orange peel" in the paint to make it look factory original. Some like glass smooth on the finish but I personally prefer the original factory look. If the car is straight and has had no prior poor body work, I would estimate the cost at around $12,500. If you want to sent it to California I have the shop that can do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hayvenhurstkid View Post
    If the car is straight and has had no prior poor body work, I would estimate the cost at around $12,500. If you want to sent it to California I have the shop that can do it.
    That is a lot less than I would have guessed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hayvenhurstkid View Post
    I agree with 2112. The car must be fully disassembled, stripped and prepped correctly, and painted with the proper paint. I would also leave some "orange peel" in the paint to make it look factory original. Some like glass smooth on the finish but I personally prefer the original factory look. If the car is straight and has had no prior poor body work, I would estimate the cost at around $12,500. If you want to sent it to California I have the shop that can do it.
    Any thoughts on the inside of the car to achieve the creama interior mentioned above? If the interior pieces are still available through BMW I can imagine you would exceed the cost of the paint job by at least a factor of 2.
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    I would bet you are correct if you bought all that from BMW new.

    I am positive there are specialty shops that can equal or surpass the factory quality and possibly for far less money.

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    Ive looked into doing this "right" and you're looking at numbers that are in the 30k range. Thats the full, white glove, monte treatment.

    IMHO its not worth it.

    Ed, you can get the interior reupholstered probably for $12-15k.

    Again, probably not worth it, BUT, if you kept to the stock materials I think this hurts the value less than the repaint. Everything and everyone I've ever discussed this (repaint) with has the same reaction: its a big no-no on a modern car.

    It really is silly- if you get a great paint job- the car should be worth more. But thats the madness of the marketplace. A 12 year old car with 500 miles will be worth more than a 12 year old car with 50,000 miles- and yet, I guarantee you the 500 mile car will give you more headaches.

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    Thanks Jerry. Good advice, albeit a bit frustrating.

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    One thing you could do- though I'd want to get Marty's opinion- and also perhaps the opinion(s) of serious collectors out there- have the car repainted by BMW. It will be a factory paint job and you could have them certify there was no mechanical repair work done simply a cosmetic redo by the owner. I think it would be very expensive. But thats the going in cost. We would need to ascertain the getting out side.

    For example:

    Say you have a silver/ black 2001 Z8 with 12000 miles and say thats worth 110 in todays market. You want to paint it white.

    Suppose a great paint job thats actually better than the factory paint job costs $35k.
    But you need to sell the car, what is the diminished value? I don't know but I will throw out a guess that the car sells for $80k.

    So you have 35k paint job + 30k loss in value = $65k total cost should you have to sell. (something to always consider Ive learned)

    What if the BMW (if they are even willing to do it but I think they would for a Z8) repainted the car and they wanted $50k?

    its more than the super awesome private paint job, but do the math. My guess is selling the car would get you at least $100 with this pedigree.

    BMW Paint guess: 50k
    Loss on sale: $10k

    Total cost: 60k

    Not so bad now and you have a factory fresh paint job.

    Just some random thoughts from the peanut gallery.

    In the end, its your car so you can do with it as you please. These are just the economic ramifications. Maybe they are so small as to not matter to you (thats fantastic if thats the case); or maybe that would be too much to stomach. Thats your call.

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    Jerry,

    Thanks for giving tho so much thought. Believe me, I get the math. But I still find it frustrating to pay more for a good paint job than I would for an outstanding paint job. I understand it, but I don't like it. My guess is that most people would never think the car requires a paint job, but it's 11 years old and black, so it simply isn't perfect. I never owned the car new and would love to have that type of experience.

    I'm thinking about doing some modest performance upgrades similar to what others have done in this group. I assume those will not diminish the car's value, right? Is there anything you would definitely do or anything you would avoid?

    Starte

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    If its something thats relatively easy to reverse like exhaust or suspension changes or wheels I don't think it hurts. But keep the original parts so you can always put it back.

    Also you'll find that collectible cars tend to fall into those that are "drivers" and those that are more collectors or garage queens. I personally fall into the driver camp- I say drive it.

    My car is black too and the paint is chewed up in a few places. One thing I did a few years ago was to have the front bumper and lower rockers repainted. It helped ALOT. And then I got them covered with the 3M stuff.

    Things to avoid in my book would be mods that really push the mechanicals- I wouldn't raise the redline even a few hundred RPM- the stresses on the engine are exponential as RPMs climb.

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    Thanks Jerry. I'm obviously just feeling my way through the process and this helps a lot.

    Starte

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    Any time. And remember, this is just my opinion.

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    Just my 2 cents

    With today's ease of photographic (&video) documentation, wouldn't it be fairly easy to document the starting, mid-way and final conditions? I mean, if we are worried about concealed damage history, wouldn't this put this issue to bed?

    Starte, Have you checked into having the paint "refurbished" by a detailer? I think it has been mentioned, but you may need to meet with one first. I have personally seen paint brought back from the dead by one of these specialists. At 1/10th to 1/20th of a complete paint, would you really loose that much giving it a try?

    Few years back, I bought a Ford GT with 1700 miles on it and was convinced it needed repainting. Found a "dark paint" specialist who made it absolutely like new for about 1200 bucks.

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    Screw resale! Mod it. Paint it. Drive it. Then you die some day. The only upside is the enjoyment we get along the way. Are any of us really using the Z8 as our hedge fund? No. +/- 30k over the rest of your life is peanuts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norcal View Post
    Screw resale! Mod it. Paint it. Drive it. Then you die some day. The only upside is the enjoyment we get along the way. Are any of us really using the Z8 as our hedge fund? No. +/- 30k over the rest of your life is peanuts....

    I like this perspective!

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    I like both your perspectives and that is my personal take too but not everyone has the same perspective so Ive been trying to point out the downsides, which are real.

    One question is what about the paint is bothering you? Is it just dull? A good detailer should be able to restore it. I think if its pitted up badly from stone chips then thats a reason to repaint it.

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    Personally I'd say go with a top quality respray if it makes you happy, but you know what the downsides are. So long as it is your car, and you're planning to keep it I say do it!
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    Jerry, I enjoy your posting the potential costs and what it may mean in REAL dollars.

    Somebody here has to be the keeper of sanity!

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    True Andrew and 2112. I only know of the madness because I have experienced it and have several modern sports cars which I truly enjoy but I understand the cost side better than ever. I still wouldn't change a thing though! :cheers:

    One idea might be an incremental approach:

    1- find top notch detailer to see if you can rectify the paint issues that are bothering you; if that fails then

    2- find a top notch paint person/ shop and do it as you please.

    If I were to repaint my car, given its red interior, Id go with black again because I think it really looks so classy. If I had a crema or black interior Id be so tempted to go with Alpina blue.