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    Ignition Lock?

    Good morning, I have read up throughout the board about the car's starting problems and as I write, my car is at the dealership thanks to a flatdeck truck.

    My battery is less than two years old; the car appears to have full power; the doors and trunk lock/unlock via the key.

    When I put the key in the ignition, I hear the actuation of what I presume is the steering wheel/ignition lock mechanism. However, it tries itself three times in a row; moreover, the key will not turn at all, like not even to the first position. I try jiggling the wheel and the key, no luck. On the odd attempt the steering column lock will only try once as per normal but almost always it tries to "unlock" itself three times in a row (despite the steering wheel actually being unlocked!).

    My hunch tells me that I am one of the rare few with the steering/ignition lock problem but I will keep you posted on the outcome.

    Anyone with the same experience? Thanks.


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    The same thing happened to me with a dead battery!! Changed the battery and the key turned and the car started!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z8 Dave View Post
    The same thing happened to me with a dead battery!! Changed the battery and the key turned and the car started!!
    Thanks Dave...the first thing the dealer did was replace the battery and no luck. Their diagnosis is the ignition lock mechanism, about $300 and two weeks away (from Germany). Stay tuned. Z8E

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    Once they get it out it would be handy to try to discover what was the cause. I think you are only the third person to have suffered this in all these years, so it is a rare occurence, and one that is still not very clearly understood. Can you ask if we can get the lock they remove, as I'd love to get it sent over to the Club in Germany, and see if they can figure out why this happens, and maybe how to prevent it.
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    I would recommend to try your spare key to make sure there is no problem with the key, the battery inside the key and the electronic parts inside the key.
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    Good evening,

    Let me share you my just last week experience with the same problem:

    The symptoms were exactly the same as zed_eight described.
    My BMW workshop told me that was a ingnition/key part failure, but yesterday they changed it and the problem persists, Now they ordered the ignition electronic unit control to Germany (90 units available in stock and about 700? only the spare).
    They expect to receive the part next week. I hope this will solve the problem,
    I'll update you.
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    My Z8 is safe now at home.

    I asked to my BMW dealer for the replaced spares to post on this forum.

    First picture shows the Housing Ignition Lock BMW BM 004404, 175,53?



    Second one is the Lock Steering BMW BM 004592, 727,57?



    The total repair bill was 1.466,43?
    I don't know if I'm the first Z8 owner with this problem, anyway hope this information will help this Z8 owners comunity.
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    After an exhaustive month at the dealership, my car is home. They replaced the battery; checked the fuses; checked the power distribution block; checked fuses and wiring in the e-box(?); checked the main ground connection; re&re'd both the ignition and steering column switch; replaced the steering column switch (PN 61-32-8-380-141); and finally checked the wiring between the ignition switch and the steering column lock. It was determined that a faulty steering column lock (which was ultimately replaced, PN 32-32-6-758-211) was not supplying power to/from the solenoid on the ignition switch (which was OK).

    $2,000 CAD parts and labour, excluding taxes. (Edit: almost identical to bcn's bill!)

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    Does anyone know how long the key battery last's? Mine is 12 yrs now and I'm having the click no start problem as well. Furthermore, can it be easily replaced by me?
    Thnx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Does anyone know how long the key battery last's? Mine is 12 yrs now and I'm having the click no start problem as well. Furthermore, can it be easily replaced by me?
    Thnx,
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    I have now experienced this "key will not turn" issue twice in the space of 16 months. Steering does not lock upon removal of key, and key cannot be turned in ignition. It is not battery charge related, and the key is fully charged as well, therefore eliminating these causes.
    The dealer in Austin had fixed it the last time by replacing the lock (part# 32-30-7-197-330), which now appears to have been a temporary solution at best, as the same phenomenon now reoccurring. After a $175 towing bill, let's hope they get things right this time...!! I'll post the results.
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    So the end result ended being the Steering Lock failure (part# 32-32-6-758-211). As in Toma's (zed_eight_eh) and Joan's (bcnz8) cases, the symptoms were identical, with the triple clicking sound, yet the steering not locking, and the inability to turn the key. The replacement of the steering lock (a mere $1420 later) appears to have solved the issue. Between the previous lock replacement, two separate towing fees and the steering lock repair, this "issue" has now totaled $2100 (USD) to address.
    It's a good thing I love this car......!!!!! (my wife on the other hand....!!!)
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    My car just came back from rear light install and is now doing the same. Key works once after a battery disconnect...coincidence? I dont know...

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    I just had the same "key works once after a battery disconnect" problem. Then no dash lights, no nothing, probably because zero power. New battery. Car is now at the dealer.

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    Just had an issue with my steering lock / car lock / key.
    It simply won't turn. Had to take the car by recovery to the local (and only/exclusive) BMW dealer in Dubai.
    Charged me over $4,000 to repair it. Changed steering column supporting bracket, steering lock (ELV), Steering angle sensor and tube clamp. A total rip off and I am sure the only thing that was needed was the ELV but they refused to repair the car unless all those were done. I had no choice but to accept. This was the discounted price from the original $5,200! A shame. BMW does not do anything about the mistreatment (I am being diplomatic) by the exclusive dealer of its clients. The sadder part is, after all this, I have an annoying 'click' in the steering column every time I turn it!

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    Same experience here, being held hostage by the dealer. Similar, but not exactly same, diagnosis, and similar price to fix w/out being given detailed explanation. No choice.

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    I am glad to report that the fault is fixed. I purchased the steering lock (Euro 550) and had it fitted and coded at a specialist (3 hours labour).

    I guess not as painful as it could have been...had lots of stories from various specialists stating that I needed the lock mechanism changed because the part number for the ELV had changed etc etc..but the friendly main dealer in Germany that supplied the part checked and said no need

    Anyway, fingers crossed it works

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    Do have the part number of the lock?
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    Steering Lock part number is (part# 32-32-6-758-211)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonchum View Post
    Steering Lock part number is (part# 32-32-6-758-211)
    Mucho Gracias! (I hope I am spelling that correctly)
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    Hi.

    The parts that I ordered and had fitted were

    1 x 32-32-6-758-211 (this is the Electronic Vehicle Lock or ELV)- It is separate from the ignition barrel and is made by Valeo
    2 x 32-31-1-157-967 - These are 'break off' bolts. they are required to refit the ELV (the old ones need to be drilled or chiseled off.

    The ELV required 'coding' to the car. Other than this the fitting appeared pretty straight forward.

    This is the second ELV the car has had. the first was fitted when the car was 8 years old and this one at 16 years. Seems to be a time thing I guess?

    The part number has changed and so I live in the (probably false) hope that they improved the part



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    Quote Originally Posted by lamakdaddy View Post
    Hi.


    2 x 32-31-1-157-967 - These are 'break off' bolts. they are required to refit the ELV (the old ones need to be drilled or chiseled off.


    Yikes! That sounds fraught with potential disaster.

    So for those of us who have not replaced this yet, sounds like we are on borrowed time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112 View Post
    Yikes! That sounds fraught with potential disaster.

    So for those of us who have not replaced this yet, sounds like we are on borrowed time.

    The part number appears to have changed. It was 32326753965 during the following dates (03/01/2000 — 11/20/2014).

    Perhaps they changed it or it could be that this is the time at which parts were transferred to classic division?


    Either way, I am on my third (inc original) and all the BMW specialists I spoke to have done replacements on Z8s...perhaps its a heat issue?

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    Thank you for linking that, It says that part has been superseded by the following;

    http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partxref?q=32326758211

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