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    new toy - old design :D

    4 weeks ago I got my new toy and now I pimped it a little bit. maybe I watched to much TV when I was young.


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    Very nice sans the decal on the roof. Unfortunately, they won't be coming to the States.
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    WOW!!! How do you like driving her? Congratulations!!

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    Now that's what I call a toy

    Congrats.
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    Congrats!!!

    Fantastic car, although I would stay away from the ariel tricks the Gen. Lee was known for, kind of hard on the shock towers!!
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    Hey, this ain't no Z8! I cannot wait to hear about how she drives. Shame you can't get it in stick shift.

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    I don't know where you live but I'd be careful where you drive any car with that flag on it as it's meaning is different than it used to be and many folks would just as soon convert your car to a convertible than let you drive around with that on the roof.

    Just my input.
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    Seeing as how the GTS isn't sold in the US, I wouldn't sweat it. A wonderfully fun play with the Fire Orange paint.
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    Kind of like driving through the Southern US with "Man Love Rules" on your pickup?


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/ep...episode3.shtml

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    That's a classic one. The scene where they nearly get assaulted at the gas station is hilarious - almost as good a Jeremy pulling up with the cow on the roof of the camaro.
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    Despite all the fun, Jeremy makes a chilling remark toward the end along the lines that the wealthiest nation on earth can't take care of its own (referring to the extend of Louisiana Katrina damage after years).
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    Yet we spend billions and sacrifice thousands of lives fighting other countries wars.
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    And mostly they're wars that benefit no one expect Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, and the Rockerfeller/Rothschild banking mafia who all get massively rich on the transactions and debt generated by war, and who really pays for these ridiculous and ridiculously expensive adventures, you and I.

    I come from a country that lost its empire to the costs of war, and the over extension of military expenditure is a drug that will destroy this country completely, and quite likely in our lifetime. Re read the Fall of Rome, the check Spain, Napoleonic France, Prussia, Russia, and countless other empires who have fallen in exactly the same way.

    The arrogance of the neo-cons who started all this will be the undoing of this great country. None of the politicians care about us the people, they are all too busy stuffing their pockets corporate dollars gifted to Rep & Dem Incs to create the illusion of freedom of choice by the corporations and banks who really own and run the USA.

    So who you gonna vote for next week, Punch or Judy?
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    PS: I'm not the only one utterly disgusted with what is happening here - read this post, it will send shivers up and down your spine.


    As if there was any doubt before which way the arrow of control, and particularly causality, points in America's financial system, the following stunner just released from Bloomberg confirms it once and for all. According to Rebecca Christie and Craig Torres, the New York Fed has issued a survey to Primary Dealers, which asks for suggestions on the size of QE2 as well as the time over which it would be completed. It also asks firms how often they anticipate the Fed will re-evaluate the program, and to estimate its ultimate size. This is nothing short of a stunning indication of three things: i) that the Fed is most likely completely paralyzed due to the escalating confrontation between the Hawks and the Doves, and that not even Bernanke believes has has sufficient clout to prevent what Time magazine has dubbed a potential opening salvo into a chain of events that could lead to civil war: in effect Bernanke will use the PD's decision as a trump card to the Hawks and say the market will plunge unless at least this much money is printed, ii) that the Fed is effectively asking the Primary Dealers to act as underwriters on whatever announcement the Fed will come up with, and thus prop the market, and, most importantly, iii) that the PDs will most likely demand the highest possible amount, using Goldman's $2-4 trillion as a benchmark, and not only frontrun the ultimate issuance knowing full well what the syndicate of 18 will decide in advance of what the final amount will be, but will also ramp stocks on November 3 to make the actual QE announcement seem like a surprise. This also means that the Primary Dealers of America, which include among them such hedge funds as Goldman Sachs, such mortgage frauds as Bank of America, such insolvent foreign banks as Deutsche, RBS, UBS and RBS, and such middle-market excuses for banks as Jefferies, are now in control of US monetary, and as we explain below fiscal, policy.

    It also means that the Fed has absolutely no confidence in its actions, and, more importantly, no confidence in how its actions will be perceived by the market which is why it is not only telegraphing its decision to the bankers, but is having its decision be dictated by them, an act so unconstitutional it would be seen as treason in any non-Banana republic! This is the last straw confirming that the only ones left trading the market are the Fed and the PDs, passing hot potatoes to each other, and the HFTs, churning the xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx out of everything else to pretend someone is still trading.

    And the saddest conclusion is that this is the definitive end of US capital markets: not only is the Fed's political subordination a moot point, but the Fed, and the middle class' purchasing power via the imminent dollar destruction that is sure to follow as the PDs seek to obliterate their underwater assets by raging inflation, is now effectively confirmed to be a bitch of Lloyd Blankfein and his posse.

    The official explanation for this unprecedented incursion by the banking crime syndicate in US monetary policy is as follows:

    Avoiding Disruption

    Treasury officials say they want to avoid any disruption to the $8.5 trillion market in U.S. government debt, the world?s most liquid, as the Fed weighs restarting large-scale asset purchases. The Treasury also doesn?t want to give any impression to investors, particularly those based overseas, that it might be coordinating with the Fed to finance the national debt.

    ?Treasury debt-management decisions are designed to deliver the lowest cost of borrowing over time and are entirely independent from monetary-policy decisions made by the Federal Reserve,? Mary Miller, assistant secretary for financial markets, said in an e-mail to Bloomberg News yesterday. Before joining the Treasury last year, Miller was head of global fixed- income portfolio management at T. Rowe Price Group Inc. in Baltimore.

    The Treasury is scheduled to hold its quarterly meetings with bond dealers tomorrow, ahead of the department?s Nov. 3 refunding announcement.
    Fill in the blank: the Fed has essentially given PDs the option of $250BN, $500BN or $1 trillion in monetization over six months. It is now absolutely clear that the PDs will pick the biggest number possible... which incidentally amounts to $2 trillion per year, and is precisely what Goldman's downside case was, as we presented previously.

    The New York Fed surveyed primary dealers required to bid in U.S. debt auctions. It asked dealers to estimate changes in nominal and real 10-year Treasury yields ?if the purchases were announced and completed over a six-month period.? The amounts dealers can choose from are zero, $250 billion, $500 billion and $1 trillion.
    Of course, since a $2 trillion purchase over 1 year means the Fed will have to monetize every single bond issued, the SOMA limit will have to be raised, another prediction we made months ago:

    The Fed is unlikely to buy up the entire supply of new securities, although it may adjust its internal guidelines of how much it can hold of any given issue. The Fed limits itself to owning no more than 35 percent of any specific security it holds in its System Open Market Account, or SOMA.

    ?Our Treasury strategists point out it could also cause pricing distortions along the curve, if, for example, the Fed continues to target a 40 percent purchase concentration in the 6-10 year maturity bucket, as it has in its recent purchases,? analysts at JPMorgan Chase & Co., including Alex Roever, wrote in an Oct. 22 research report. The report predicts the Fed will buy about $250 billion a quarter during the easing campaign.
    How about $500 billion?

    And, incidentally, since the "independent" Treasury will be forced to issue more debt to fill all the demand for $2 trillion over the next 12 months, as there is not enough debt in the pipeline to fill $2TN worth of demand and prevent the entire curve pancaking at zero (i.e., the 30 year yielding precisely 0.001%) it also means that the government will be forced to come up with more deficit programs, which also means that primary dealers will now also determine US fiscal policy.

    Which begs the question, why is anyone pretending that the political vote on November 3 matters at all?

    Below are the 18 banks that, in a completely separate vote, will henceforth rule America, regardless of what particular puppets end up in the Congress and Senate:

    BNP Paribas Securities Corp.
    Banc of America Securities LLC
    Barclays Capital Inc.
    Cantor Fitzgerald & Co.
    Citigroup Global Markets Inc.
    Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC
    Daiwa Capital Markets America Inc.
    Deutsche Bank Securities Inc.
    Goldman, Sachs & Co.
    HSBC Securities (USA) Inc.
    Jefferies & Company, Inc.
    J.P. Morgan Securities LLC
    Mizuho Securities USA Inc.
    Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated
    Nomura Securities International, Inc.
    RBC Capital Markets Corporation
    RBS Securities Inc.
    UBS Securities LLC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macfly View Post
    And mostly they're wars that benefit no one expect Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, and the Rockerfeller/Rothschild banking mafia who all get massively rich on the transactions and debt generated by war, and who really pays for these ridiculous and ridiculously expensive adventures, you and I.
    Much like the Quandt's whom's car you and I drive.
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    The US has always been a country of contradictions. Probably always will be. We are concerned with equality of opportunity; whereas Europeans tend to be concerned with equality of result. I prefer our method- but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned when we see alarming information about our situation. One could also ask how come we lock up something like 10x more of our population than other industrialized nations.

    Voting- thats between me and the ballot box- or probably some kind of computer that will likely be hacked by either the DNC or RNC or both!

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    Jerry said: ?One could also ask how come we lock up something like 10x more of our population than other industrialized nations."


    In part, extreme heterogeneity. Google ?heterogeneity crime?.


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    Interesting. I figured its just that its easier for politicians to increase mandatory sentencing rules than try to actually tackle problems. Remember to go out and vote next week to all Americans!

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    Jerry said:
    ?We are concerned with equality of opportunity; whereas Europeans tend to be concerned with equality of result. I prefer our method?

    Very well said Jerry!

    And when politicians move toward equality of results, the quantity and quality of the ?results? are asymptotic to zero. And by that time, the ?politician? is asymptotic to a dictator. There have been/are many such examples !!

    Jerry ? I got my Barchetta wheels for the 550!!

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    I have to say that you both got me there, I grew up in Europe, and not even sure what you mean by equality of result?
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    Andrew,

    I think you might be baiting me in - but here goes!!

    Example - Equality of result:

    Everybody gets a generous but equal retirement at age 60. Result, nobody cares what they do along the way so productivity and the creation of wealth are stymied. Eventually there is no money to guarantee the promised result. Case in point ? France.

    Equality of opportunity:

    Everybody gets an equal chance to create their own future - very very good or perhaps not so good. As motivated people compete for their goals, efficiencies are created, wealth and jobs are created. Yes a few retire ridiculously wealthy but the real wealth created makes for a better life for all. Example ? America?s better days (perhaps passed).

    Regards,

    Phil

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    Ahh, I see where you're going now - and no I'm not baiting you, you're basically arguing the carrot & stick of social paths, more vs. less socialism.

    I think it is very hard to look at systems without really looking at the nature of nation. What I mean by that is the nature of the nation will always push to the fore, regardless of system. Let me see if I can make that point clearly.

    China had 5000 years of being the greatest merchant nation on earth, and could not be suppressed by 50 years of a new system, communism.

    Russia had thousands of years of feudal rulership, and any leader there just becomes the new 'overlord'. Gorbachev was an aberration, Putin brings back the new normal.

    France has been rebelling against the power class, and asking for it 'rights' since that long hideous period of crazy Louis's.

    Germany has organized and engineered a system where workers, managers and owners pull together to create the best they can with pride, they've always been awesome at the organize and pride thing, and the machines we love are the result.

    Italy since the fall of Rome just wants to eat well and be merry, after the thousand year empire they have hardly maintained one actual system for a century! Stop worrying and pass the vino!

    England has a fatal mixture of nationalistic pride and revolt, the Sex Pistols, railed against the system, yet are now held up as national treasures. It's a culture of get what you can, and I'm all right Jack. The socialism that swept the country has allowed those who never had anything to now feel entitled to everything, mostly for nothing!

    And our own dear USA, where the political parties are the paid puppets of the banksters in the most startlingly corrupt nation on earth. Unless you managed to be in the very lucky 1% who made it big, and can fully support yourself you are in serious trouble as you age. We are quickly becoming a second world country, and have more and more people living in third world poverty within our once proud nation every year. We produce nothing, not because we can't, but because it is cheaper to make it in China, India or NAFTA, so we've been loosing our working class and their earning ability for twenty years. Now this banking fiasco is taking out a huge swathe of the middle class destroying pensions and personal wealth on a scale not seen since the South Sea Bubble burst. These are both fatal mistakes in a society that is 70% consumer spending driven.

    Truthfully we are so far from equal opportunity here that it is laughable to say we have it, but it would also be nigh on impossible to create it, which is why I personally favor the kind of caring capitalism you see at work in Germany and Scandinavia. All systems are open to abuse from the top and the bottom, finding the balance, and knowing the nature of the nation you're dealing with is the key.

    Oh, and the nature of our nation? We're too young, too undefined, and too mixed to have one. We are a real mutt, we got everything, the best and the worst, so we just have to figure it out as we go, but we need compassion and empathy for those with less. Less ability, less opportunity, and yes, even less will - love is meant to be unconditional!
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    Very well said Andrew.
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    Andrew,

    My original comments were just banter with my acquaintance Jerry. My last comment was just a simple answer to your inquiry. I found your comments interesting and informative. And since this is your forum and not a political one at that, I will let you have the last word.

    By the way, thanks again for this forum.

    Best Regards,

    Phil

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    Pleasure Phil, doing the site has been both a real joy by way of meeting loads of other enthusiasts, and a also a great way keeping what I can't remember all in one place!

    (ps: sorry about all the typos above, ran out to lunch realizing I was late, and didn't spell check till I got back - not only is my memory bad, but my spelling is attrocious!)
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    I agree with Phils comments and I also think there is much merit to what you say Andrew, but I would not trade our system with what they have in Germany. Cars or no.

    Phil, send me some pics. I am on the verge of something myself...

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    Getting back to the original thread topic: Id love to hear how the GTS drives and I think the decal or paint job is cool- and Im a real Yankee not a Confederate. It still works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z8Mania View Post
    Getting back to the original thread topic: Id love to hear how the GTS drives and I think the decal or paint job is cool- and Im a real Yankee not a Confederate. It still works.
    The GTS drives quite nice and after 2.000 km I drove today for the first time a little bit faster (speedometer showed 300km/h ) on the Autobahn and even my passenger was impressed how stable the car was.
    I haven?t been on a track yet, but the car feels fast. If a Porsche GT3 is faster it?s me and not the car.



    P.S. Maybe I will take off the sticker on the roof, before I get in trouble. It was just an idea I realized, because I liked to watch "The Dukes of Hazzard" when I was a kid.