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    New Car Immediate Problems

    I just unloaded my 2003 Z8 Alpina and two things occurred: One, after putting the top up and down twice, the fabric is pulling away from the rear plastic window. The previous owner had the same problem and the dealer, Germain BMW in Florida replaced the entire top under the warranty less than 2,000 miles ago. Two, the master key when pushed once open the driver's door but when pushed twice does not open the passenger door and when I constanting press the master key door open button, the windows do not open as the manual states they should. Again, the previous owner had the same problem and the his local BMW dealer just last week replaced the "General Module Locking Relay for Lock System" under the warranty. I checked when I picked up the car and pressing twice unlocked the passenger door. Now it won't. Does any one have any thoughts and does the lock button in the center counsel have anything to do with this? Thanks, dride

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    Quick edit: Change the first use of the word "open" in line 3 to "opens" and change the word "constanting" in line four to "constantly" Like to correct my mistakes.

    P.S. The brand new top was installed by the dealer on February 25, 2008!

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    The fabric pulls out of that plastic/rubber seal on all our cars, it just has to be correctly glued in, the instructions are in the PDF's section. There is a little latch on the inside of the passenger door that you can click up or down to 'twin' that door to the driver's door, so try that, and I never heard of the key operating the windows, that maybe an Alpina feature?
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    'ordinary' BMW's have the window feature; but my Z8 will not open or close the windows (like my 'ordinary F?nfer...) when I keep pressing the button. Pressing twice will deactivate the interior alarm sensors (the red light below the rear view mirror will light up a little longer).

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    Thanks, the little latch thing worked and now both doors unlock!!! Yes the Alpina Owner's Manual on page 32 states "Press and hold button 1. The windows are then opened." I tried it several times and nothing. I'll ask the dealer when I take it in for the performance package installation next week. I am a bit worried since the engine sits higher in an Alpina and I don't know how it would fit. I'll discuss it with the dealer. Also, one more query? I assume that it is a good idea to install a Lojack device.

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    Should be no problem to install the PP on the Alpina. They are no harder than a regular Z8. Make sure that whomever installs it has done other cars before yours. As far as the top coming unglued, it is a very common problem, new top or not. I had my guy reglue mine with way stronger glue than the factory uses. It has been over a year since the fix, which took about one hour, and it has held perfectly. If you are in the Los Angeles area, PM me and I will give you his number. It is very inexpensive to fix and once he does it, it is done. If you have the dealer do it, the problem will probably come back.
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    The Performance Kit for the Alpina is different from the Performance Kit for a regular Z8. Your dealer should looks at this very carefully to not install the wrong kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRZ8 View Post
    'ordinary' BMW's have the window feature; but my Z8 will not open or close the windows (like my 'ordinary F?nfer...) when I keep pressing the button. Pressing twice will deactivate the interior alarm sensors (the red light below the rear view mirror will light up a little longer).
    The Z8 does not have this "window feature" and as far as I know also the ALPINA does not have this feature. It is only possible to open or close the windows with the key by using the key inside the driver door lock on the outside of the car. Put the key into the lock, turn it and hold it, then the windows will open or close depending on the turning direction.
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    Thanks all. I am having the performance kit installed by Century West BMW in North Hollywood. The Z8 specialist there is a guy named Fred. That's all I know. Hayvenhurst Kid, I am in West Hollywood and don't know how to PM you regarding your glue guy for the top. Thanks, Dennis

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    If you click on someone's name it will give you the option to send them a private message (PM). I'm also in Hollywood, on the hill behind the Chateau.
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    I think Fred wil be your service advisor. The mechanic for Z8's is a guy named Clement. He is the ONLY guy I would let touch my car. Call me at 818 640 7535. Thanks, marty

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    Tried my Alpina for the window/key remote open feature. Only the key in the lock worked, holding the button down does not work.

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    Same for me

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    Top pulling out of rear window molding

    I have a 1996 Z3 as well as the Z8. It too, suffers from the top fabric pulling away from the window molding. I had the Z3's top replaced for this in 1997, and have had no further problems with it since that time. Because the rear window folds when the top is down, stress is placed on the area around the window. One of the precautions I have found is never store the car with the top down.

    The channel around the window is made of a plasticised material. The glue used has to be chosen to be compatible with the plasticiser used. Most platicisers are high molecular weight solvents, and will eventually destroy the adhesive properties on glues used around them due to plasticiser migration into the glue.

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    So are you saying long term were undone no matter what? I was just about to get mine reglued again, but if it's destiny is to come apart then maybe I'll just leave it?
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    If you have Dale redo it with the better glue he uses, I bet it will not come undone ever.
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    I was going to call him today!
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    Rear window molding

    Quote Originally Posted by macfly View Post
    So are you saying long term were undone no matter what? I was just about to get mine reglued again, but if it's destiny is to come apart then maybe I'll just leave it?
    Huh?

    I'm saying that my Z3's top is now 12 years old with no sign of the cloth coming out from the molding. When the cloth first came loose, it was after replacing the rear window (the rear wndow in the Z3 will kink if it is not supported and the clear plastic crazes - you must either use a pool noodle covered in soft felt or a rear window protector with a section filled with beans to support the rear window) the dealer tried to glue it without success. They had Plant Spartanburg send a whole new top (including the frame) and installed it on my Z3 -- remember that mine is an August 1996 build, so it is an early one. BMW claimed they made improvements it the top design, so they replaced it.

    I put the top up whenever I park it in the garage. I also know from my background in polymer chemistry that it is very hard to find an adhesive that is compatible with plasticized materials. The adhesive will appear to work for a while, but as the plasticizer diffuses into it, it loses its adhesive properites. A plasticiizer is typically a high molecular weight (non-volatile) solvent,such as a phthalic acid ester.

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    Whatcha tryin' to say Willis?

    What adhesive will work?
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    The adhesive will appear to work for a while, but as the plasticizer diffuses into it, it loses its adhesive properites. A plasticiizer is typically a high molecular weight (non-volatile) solvent,such as a phthalic acid ester.
    So aren't you saying that no matter what it'll come unglued anyway?
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    Performing a quick search of "vinyl adhesives", I give this stuff a try

    http://www.rochfordsupply.com/shop/A...ent/index.html

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    The "window feature" doesn't work on my Alpina either and never has. I made inquiries when I bought it new and no one could give a satisfactory answer. I think Juergen is correct.
    According to Dana Caldwell at Peter Pan, the PP is the same for both the Alpina and the Z8, but the brackets are different. Your dealer needs to make sure he has the correct brackets. He should call Dana if he has any questions about it. The fit is tight under the hood, but I think it's the same in the Z8 as well.
    BTW - Welcome to the Board.

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    My 2000 Z8 has the window opening feature! Perhaps they took this out at some point?

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    Just had Peter Pan do a reglue and other things mentioned in my thread in the frame section.