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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112 View Post

    Could it have been mounted any lower?
    Due to the limited space it's tricky. The running engine is moving as you probably know. In my case the distance between the aircleaner tubes and the brace is only 3mm. Closing of the hood is without effort, like before without the PP. However, there is some contact to the pad under the hood.

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    Can the pad be modified to gain clearance?

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    I would like to ask for everyone who has a completed installation to post the final cost. This will help all of us who are waiting and will also help the dealers who aren't quite sure what to charge. Thanks.

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    Dinan and the performance package

    A local shop in OC gave me this quote. bmsracecars.com

    From Mike:
    "Installation time on the kit is 8.5 hours, our rate is $100/hour. Camber plates are $249, and 2 hours to install if we are also doing the "Performance Package" at the same time. Dinan does not offer a strut tower brace for the Z8."


    I had some good references for them and unlike the dealer, they will tighten the lug bolts when they are done..

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    my dealer here in Portland has done his first one for $1650 all in, I will find out tommorrow what my damage is when I pick the car up.

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    $730 for the PP kit, Installation not done yet.

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    $599 for the part, $1,365 for the labor. The car is at the dealer now getting the install completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killersharkbear View Post
    A local shop in OC gave me this quote. bmsracecars.com

    From Mike:
    "Installation time on the kit is 8.5 hours, our rate is $100/hour. Camber plates are $249, and 2 hours to install if we are also doing the "Performance Package" at the same time. Dinan does not offer a strut tower brace for the Z8."


    I had some good references for them and unlike the dealer, they will tighten the lug bolts when they are done..
    The hourly rate is good, but two hours to install the caster plates is reasonable for standalone, but not additional time while installing the fix. Since everything comes apart for the PP, it would take about ten minutes per side to install the caster plates.

    My PP installer charged me for eight hours, and I already had the caster plates installed. So, the eight hours includes the additional time to remove and reinstall the caster plates.

    Again, the hourly rate is good, but if they're hitting you for two hours to install the caster plates when everything is already apart they either padding the bill or they don't know what they're doing.
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    Got mine done yesterday. Standard pricing. Total came to like $1750 or so with parts and labor (at $100/hr). They also did the software upgrade. So far, so good...or at least it didn't blow up, fall off, or otherwise act up on the drive home from Richardson. The Pontiac rental car loaner was pretty disgustingly filthy, but was able to live with that. This may be the first time I've driven this car with the top up! Got damn cold by the time I drove home.

    Don't think I'll paint it, but may put on some rhinestones. It's Texas, after all.

    Rifle, if you get an Elise, my son is going to go berserk. We looked at those down in Florida a couple years ago. I think the body design of that car is one of the most gorgeous around, but I couldn't handle it as an ever day drive (when the weather is perfect, of course). The old gray mare and all that.
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    Anyone know if the software upgrade has any affect...

    on previous Dinan Software upgrades that may have already been performed?
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    Yep...

    Quote Originally Posted by Z8doc View Post
    on previous Dinan Software upgrades that may have already been performed?
    ...it will override some of the Dinan modifications. My service center reflashed the Dinan software at no charge.
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    Now that the dust is clearing with the frame issue, I had a chance to talk with a BMWNA senior executive at a charity event. We talked at length about the frame debate and I walked away with some disturbing thoughts. Since the whole thing began with what now appears to be a misrepresentation of facts about the original cars with the distortions, there does not seem to be any hard evidence that the frame actually distorts under normal conditions defined as driving on our roads.

    If this turns out to be a non-issue but the publicity in various magazines creates a lasting perception of a "defective" car, then maybe we shot ourselves in our collective foot. One person very knowledgable about the car industry was listening to our conversation and stated that it sounded like a bad hoax to him.

    Maybe it would be a good idea to get some new publicity about the recent european report and start changing an old perception into a new one.

    Bob Adler

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    Sadly Bob.....

    this isn't a case of all smoke no fire. Several owners here have hit potholes that have damaged their frames. The club's initial report in Europe can only report what it found, and what it found does not reflect a single US car.

    BMW's top brass can say whatever they want to, and I would certainly expect them to make as little of this as possible, which as you rightly said, is what we should also be, and are doing. Since the Performance Package has been released we have all been rallying around both the car and the company, and we are all working to create a single, unified voice of mutual respect and understanding.

    Personally I am very, very happy with the way BMW has ultimately handled this situation. It has been a rough road getting here, but "all's well that ends well" as they say.
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    Beware the allure of publicity. Even seemingly good news is difficult to communicate, and it is impossible to ensure that the audience will receive the message as intended. The club has already issued their statement, and BMW has made its findings clear.

    As I recall, the frame issue was never covered in any magazines or by the automotive press, as suggested by ROBERTSZ. The only article was on Business Week's website. In actuallity, the only real coverage of the issue is on this site. Time will tell wether or not we have highlighted an manufacturing issue or perpetuated a fabrication. In reality, very few people outside of this site have any clue of the potential issue, or on anything regarding the Z8.

    The market appears to be uneffected. In fact reports from Europe suggest increasing prices.

    I vote let sleeping dogs lie. Let's put some miles on the Performance Package and see how BMW resolves the handful of damaged cars in the US before we starting communicating publicly.
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    Is the flash

    Mandatory? One thing I am doing to my car is disconnect the headlight washer. Too many times I accidently bumped the stalk only to have my entirely clean car and passengers bathed in wiper fluid. I don't use my car for lengthy wet weather travel anyway.

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    Why not just drain the fluid? Seems easier than a software change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegunguy View Post
    Why not just drain the fluid? Seems easier than a software change.
    The software change is mandatory, or so I heard. I want the wipers to have fluid, not the headlights. I don't remember, do they have different reservoirs?

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    Sorry, I misread your post. I thought that you were saying that you were going to update the software to disable the headlight washers.

    I believe the software update is necessary to comply with emissions regulations. I do not know if this is required for all states, but it's a factory recall.

    I had mine done when the PP was installed. The service center reloaded my Dinan software after applying the BMW software update.
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    Mr. Gun,

    You are totally correct. Also, I may have been misled about where the story was published and so I defer to your knowledge about this history. Thank you.

    Bob

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    Stainless Steel

    A number of posters have suggested that the performance package would be better had it been made in stainless steel. While the Young's modulus of steel and stainless steel are similar, and the yiled strength of stainless steel is only slightly higher, there is another consideration, the matreial from which our cars are constructed.

    Stainless steel and aluminum are incompatible. If put in electrical contact, galling occurs - this is a transfer of material from aluminum to the stainless. BMW chose the right matreial

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    Aluminum would be about three times more in volume than steel. I have a hard time how to find the necessary space.

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    I didn't say to make it out of aluminum

    The mild steel that BMW used is fine. If it were made out of stainless you would have the galvanic differnece between nickel and aluminum to consider, plus th egalling effects of two protective oxide materials - chromium and aluminum to deal with.

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    Size of an aluminum piece

    It would not have to be 3 times as large. Aluminum has about half the Young's modulus as steel and about 1/3 the strength. You have to consider the moment of inertia to make up for this (if the Young's modulus is half as much, you need twice the moment of inertia to compensate for the weaker material). I don't have the formula for a curved beam, but most are dependent upon length^4, so an aluminum brace would have to be about 6^0.25 or 35% larger in every dimension.

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    I'm being ripped off again

    I just picked up my frame repair kit for about $600 and intend to have it powder coated silver to match my car. I asked my local dealer, South Bay BMW, in Torrance CA for a price to install it. I just received a call telling me that it would cost $3700 and when I said I felt I was being ripped again, I was told, "take it up with BMW-NA." Now I have to say that I am really pissed and I will be contacting BMW NA tonight. I should not have to do any of this. I might mention that when I ordered the kit some weeks ago, they had never heard of it, but when I was not called I went back in and was told that one had come in and went to another customer. I was pissed about that little offense as well. They said that BMW screwed up and that the pieces had to be ordered per my individual car. Does anyone have any ideas? I see much lower quotes for this work and I am shocked. Please help

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    Hap,

    To put it bluntly, you're being screwed. I don't know if it's convenient, but find another dealer to service your car. The installation and parts are averaging roughly $2,000 (little less actually). Sounds like these guys do not have the experience in the installation either.
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    hapc, you could try Long Beach or Irvine BMW....

    but at all costs avoid Crevier.

    I'm sorry to hear that South Bay BMW are gouging BMW owners. I actually take my Lotus to their Lotus division, they have one of the two best Lotus specialists in SoCal there, and they also run a really wonderful sales and support team.

    I would certainly suggest calling Bill Stuart with this information, BMW NA need to know who is representing them correctly, and who is turning their customers off the brand. How can BMW hope to stay ahead of Lexus if they have dealers moving the goalposts on their clients like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hapc View Post
    I just picked up my frame repair kit for about $600 and intend to have it powder coated silver to match my car. I asked my local dealer, South Bay BMW, in Torrance CA for a price to install it. I just received a call telling me that it would cost $3700 and when I said I felt I was being ripped again,

    Hap
    Indeed someone trying to make some extra bucks out of you!
    My official BMW dealer in Rotterdam (The Netherlands) sold me Performance package for 345 euro and installed it for 705 euro. So overall costs plus VAT (19% in Holland) were 1251 euro. (about 1600 USD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by macfly View Post
    but at all costs avoid Crevier.

    I'm sorry to hear that South Bay BMW are gouging BMW owners. I actually take my Lotus to their Lotus division, they have one of the two best Lotus specialists in SoCal there, and they also run a really wonderful sales and support team.

    I would certainly suggest calling Bill Stuart with this information, BMW NA need to know who is representing them correctly, and who is turning their customers off the brand. How can BMW hope to stay ahead of Lexus if they have dealers moving the goalposts on their clients like this?
    Do not take your car to Long Beach BMW. My experiences have included... a two inch long scratch in the bumper, twice making me wait nearly an hour while they tried to locate my keys and once they returned my car with the fuse box cover, fuses and a half finished can of Coke on the floor!

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    Yikes!!!!

    BMW really need to start studying Lexus hard, complacency in such a competitive market is very dangerous, and allowing your goods to be sold and serviced by sloppily run franchises is the kiss of death.

    To be honest the reason I drive 440 miles north to have my car serviced at Peter Pan is because right now I think they are the very best BMW Z8 shop in the land. It is sad to say but there isn't a single shop down here in the greater LA/OC & San Diego area I would trust my car to.
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    There may be an exception to this. I have been talking with Bob Smith BMW in Calabasas (the "valley" in LA) and the service manager has researched this very carefully. The part is ordered by the VIN so there should be no reason to have the part given to someone else. The cost is $599. The labor is 8.5 hours and all Bob Smith asked was for a half hour fudge factor if it was needed. The total cost will be about $1,800 or less. This is consistent with what others have reported on this site. It will be installed in a couple of weeks and I will provide an update after that.

    $3,700 spells SCREWED. Get away from that dealer.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by macfly View Post
    BMW really need to start studying Lexus hard, complacency in such a competitive market is very dangerous, and allowing your goods to be sold and serviced by sloppily run franchises is the kiss of death.
    They have been studying them; unfortunately, there is not much they can do. I had a long conversation with a BMW NA executive a while back and the issue is contractual agreements.

    Being a new player, Lexota (dealer) contracts include a series of protection clauses for Lexota in case the dealer underperforms. This allows Lexota to yank the franchise in extreme cases, but also serves as a powerful deterrent. Also, Lexota is able to "pick and choose" who gets the franchise, which is usually their best performing Toyota dealers.

    BMW inherited many of its dealer agreements from the Max Hoffman days and there are no such clauses. The only thing BMW can do is provide incentives. This has led to the dealers demanding that you rate their service a "five" because anything lower is viewed by BMW as unacceptable. This works, but not nearly as well as the Lexota system. After all, what?s more annoying that the BMW dealer demanding that you give them a "perfect" rating for less than perfect service?

    Of course, this does not explain why BMW NA was so uncooperative and secretive during this whole Z8 issue???

    Admittedly, I?ve never been able to get the whole Lexota thing. I can?t understand the logic of paying $10-$20K more for the same car with a different badge. The only unique car to Lexota in the U.S. is the LS and that?s just a Toyota Cedric in Japan. Take the GX for instance. A friend bought one for over $55K. When I told him it was a "redressed" 4Runner and that the top of the line 4Runner sells for just over $35K, he was shocked and surprised!!! Same cars, same ENGINEERS, same assembly line workers, same parts subcontractors? Badge engineering at its best. That?s one of the things that really draws me to BMW. A BMW is? well a BMW.

    We (American consumers) are so uninformed sometimes it?s shocking.

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    Indeed it is true...

    While every Lexus is built on a Toyota platform today, it is VAG who have really mastered the art of the re-body for maximum profit, all three of the new Bentley's are built on the Phaeton platform, and they all retail for over $100,000 more than the slow selling Phaeton!

    Lexus will be entering the market with its new flagship sportscar in a year or so, and they've just released the stunning long wheelbase GS, which I'd buy over either a BMW or the MB if I was in the market for a big sedan. The most tempting thing about buying a Lexus is that they've created an 'awareness of excellence', a masterful thing to have done, any Lexus can sit beside any European car at a country club or in an executive parking lot with it's head held high. The most reliable cars I've owned have all been Toyotas, (Land Cruiser, 77K, Prius 10K, Lotus 20K track miles!) so Lexus have had an awesome foundation to build their brand on, but they have done that brand building very well indeed, and customer service satisfaction has been at the core of that brand building.

    There aren't many manufacturers left like BMW and Porsche who are essentially still family run enterprises. While in Europe for the Z8 Club events it is wonderful to see the absolute pride that BMW AG takes in its product. We got our PP as quickly as we did because of that pride, and the only reason we had to wait so long to get it was so they could que up the manufacturing, which was slotted in during the summer break.

    Our car aside BMW have stumbled a bit in the market, the iDrive and it's lack of reliability in the early 7's, the bad bearings in the M3's and the controversial styling of the Bangle/Van Hook cars have all helped erode BMW's mystic. You only have to look at the Z3 sales against the Z4 sales to see how badly ugly is doing in the real world.

    I can understand how NA is caught in a hard place with their old contracts, but they really should figure out how to protect themselves and the their brand quality better. Buying a car is almost instant these days, but brand loyalty is the result of the relationship that happens once you own it. The service provided by Peter Pan BMW is the gold standard they should be looking at for all their dealers to attain, and with heavy competition from the orient brand customer service and satisfaction is golden.
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    There is no question that Lexota have a done a great job of "creating an image" of exclusivity where none exists; however, that "can only happen in America" as they say. In Europe the LS and GS whatever are still Toyotas and I doubt they can fool Western Europeans, particularly Germans, Italians and Brits into thinking that Lexota is the equal of storied car companies like BMW and Mercedes.

    As to styling, while I miss the old BMW design philosophy of form follows function, particularly the driver oriented interior ergonomics, Bangle has proven that the Emperor was indeed wearing clothes. Everyone, including Lexota and Mercedes, is copying BMW design (I think that’s a shame BTW, as I’m not a fan). I was fooled into thinking that the new S500 Mercedes was the upcoming 7 series when photos of the former were first released.

    Your point that "there aren't many manufacturers left like BMW and Porsche who are essentially still family run enterprises" is an excellent one and exactly what I was referring to in my previous post. Why would someone buy a rebadged something else when such amazing car companies (BMW and Porsche) are out there making superb vehicles?

    I read and hear about the reliability of Toyota vehicles (I’ve never owned one myself); however, all my BMWs (8 in total and counting) have been bulletproof. My wife’s X3 is a case in point. It just turned 30K miles and it has been to the dealer ONCE for 15K service. I drove a Lexota RX 300 at one of those events where you get to sample several cars and I thought it was light years behind the X3. The brakes were mushy and faded after just two hard stops. The suspension was softer than my living room sofa and the engine was rough at high RPMs. BTW, the other Lexotas weren’t much better. My dad might have liked the plush ride of an LS (he drove a Buick), but you couldn’t give me one.

    Which brings me to Thanksgiving. What a great country we live in where we have such wonderful choices and with a little hard work and imagination, the sky is the limit. I just wished our fellow citizens would work a little harder at becoming more savvy consumers.

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    Amen to that!! :-))

    I just wished our fellow citizens would work a little harder at becoming more savvy consumers.
    I've yet to drive any of the Lexus stable, but the trashing the 2ZZ motor in my Lotus sustains on an almost weekly basis at the track is the best ad ever for an engine-maker.

    I will certainly want to try the upcoming Lexota 'Ferrari-challanger' that has been seen at the 'ring recently, as it and Honda's upcoming AM-challanger are the two cars that will likely challange the new Z6 to replace my SL in 24 months when the warranty is up.

    Sadly you are right about ugly spreading like wildfire through the automotive world, but fashion and style are pendulums that always return. I am hoping the handsome new Alfa's will lead a resurgence of beauty, the gorgeous new 8C is the first car to really pique my interest since the Z8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macfly View Post
    I've yet to drive any of the Lexus stable, but the trashing the 2ZZ motor in my Lotus sustains on an almost weekly basis at the track is the best ad ever for an engine-maker.

    I will certainly want to try the upcoming Lexota 'Ferrari-challanger' that has been seen at the 'ring recently, as it and Honda's upcoming AM-challanger are the two cars that will likely challange the new Z6 to replace my SL in 24 months when the warranty is up.
    Bear in mind that my problem is not with Toyota itself, but with re-badging. I see no problem with someone buying a Toyota if that's what "floats their boat." I only question paying an extra $15-$20K for the same thing with a different badge/name. Furthermore, it's not limited to Toyota and/or the Japanese. I have the same problem with the VW/Audi connection. I'm not likely to buy any Audi (been there, done that), but particularly those based on VW platforms.

    I love the Lotus and have considered one myself for tracking after reading your posts raving about it. While it has a Toyota engine (which is good thing), the chassis and body are unique, and not a derivation of something else.

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    Package Installed

    As of yesterday performance package has been installed. Have not noticed any difference in the ride quality yet and don't expect to notice. After I took the car to the service I warned the mechanic several times about the 5 mm gap.
    When I went back after the installation, he told me that the installation was pretty straight forward and easy. Because before he drilled, he aligned the brace by aligning the filter housing's hole on the car to the center point of the big hole for the filter housing on the brace. After the alignment process he told me the gap is approximately 5 mm. Then he marked the drilling points. The result is how it should be.
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    Merry Christmas and holiday greetings to everyone, had a rough summer and fall. i wish eveyone the best New Year. What is the current thought; put in the upgrade when available or not? My dealer has no knowledge about it.

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    I could see no reason not to put it in, a stitch in time saves nine.
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    I just got my car back from Bob Smith BMW in Calabasas. They took their time and carefully installed the performance package. I received a couple of phone calls with updates and assurances that they wanted to do this right. The total cost was about $1,800 including the alignment check after installation. Bob Smith was excellent.

    The field engineer also did his frame inspection which was by observation and lots of pictures. Fortunately, there was nothing wrong with my frame. He said there is no written report, just pictures.

    I don't feel the car driving any differently but my confidence in driving it is much better. I hope this does it.

    Happy Holidays.

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    thanks,, will do it this winter

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    A visit to Alpina and the Alpina performance package

    I was recently in Germany and visited Alpina. I had a tour of the facilities including
    their other business, wine purchasing, aging and sales.

    I saw the proposed PP installed on Alpina # 555/555. It's the same as the standard PP with the addition of 2 more parts to hold the air mass meter in a different position so it does not contact the strut brace.

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    Thanks for the update. This is first concrete info we've had on whether or not BMW (or Alpina?) would address the issue for the Alpina. I must admit, I had my doubts but looks like they're going to come through. Now all they have to do is step up to the plate and provide it and the installation to the owners at no cost. My opinion stands - this is latent defect which should be corrected by the manufacturer without penalty to the owner.

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    bmw of austin

    hi zbobz,

    i'm planning to have the work done here at austin after reading your reply. who did you speak with over there?


    Quote Originally Posted by ZbobZ View Post
    I have just returned from picking up the Z8 from BMW of Austin.

    The perfomance package appears to be very well engineered. Although the bar is slightly flexible in the vertical axis, it should be very rigid in compression and tension, which is what counts.

    BMW of Austin, as always, handled the service extremely well.

    The long trip home was the first time in months that I have had a pleasant, worry free drive in the Z8. Although I have been occasionally critical of the way that BMW has handled this matter, I am impressed with the final result and very appreciative of BMW's efforts.

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    Hi Candersoh. My service advisor at BMW of Austin is Scott Liedtke. He has always taken very good care of my BMW vehicles. My Z8 was the first PP installation for BMW of Austin, and they did an excellent job. I do not know how many installations they have performed since, but I'm sure Scott would share that info if you ask. Good luck, and let me know if you have any other questions.

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    thanks for the quick reply. did you remember how much it was? i'm hearing 1500-1800 range. also, did you switch out the runflats too?

    thanks for all the help!

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    oh, and if you did replace the runflats, what did you get?

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    The MPS2 is the best option currently for the OE wheels.
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    Regarding the PP installation...

    Quote Originally Posted by candersoh View Post
    thanks for the quick reply. did you remember how much it was? i'm hearing 1500-1800 range. also, did you switch out the runflats too?

    thanks for all the help!
    Make sure you familiarize yourself with the installation process located here on this site as there are some technical aspects that not all technicians will be familiar with and they just can not "wing it". For example, the Club recommended that you install the PP with the car on the ground with frame "stressed" as opposed to on a lift with the wheels off the ground. That information is not listed in the technical bulletin from BMW.

    Should cost around $700 USD for the PP and another $1200 - $1500 or install as you have to take the airboxes out to install it then reinstall them.

    Agree with Rifle, the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires are the general best replacement for the OEM wheels. I had the Bridgestone Potenza S03 Pole Position non-run flats at one time, handled great with the OEM wheels but found them to be ever increasingly noisey with time and wear. Like the MSP2s better and after 8k miles on them, not noisey at all (51.5K original smiles on the Z8 now)
    Best Regards,

    Jeff
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    thanks jeff and gunguy. i've poured over the lengthy thread the past few nights. looks like it was a wild ride getting to the point of the performance upgrade kit. seems everyone is happy with this option? i never received a letter and hadn't been on this site for a long time (4 years). i logged in and was blown away by what happened in my absence. i strongly believe there are other owners like myself that would have blown our horns along with this group had we known. i don't think bmw has done a good job of informing everyone and i know that it was never mentioned by bmw of austin when i had an oil change there. so how would your "average" owner find out? going to get an inspection and move forward with the install asap. thanks for all the valuable info and quick replies!

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    Candersoh,

    Sounds great except..... don't be so absent in the future!!!

    The only other thing I would definitely do is suggest you email Bill Stuart at BMW NA and let him know you are having your car inspected and that you are disappointed you were not notified BMW but glad you check on this site and that you have been in contact with all of us here. Bill is a great guy and he will contact both the Service Rep and your service field inspector that will be assigned to your car and get it handled for you. The Inspector will come in specifically from BMW for the inspection. Also, insist that you be present for the inspection so that you can "see what they see and visa versa" so that if there is a problem, you can get it corrected more easily. Your BMW service center may be reluctant to allow you in the shop (often quoting liability reasons) however this is not true and I would sign a waiver just to be present. I was present and just explained that I am a reasonable person and just wanted to see what they see.

    Hope is all goes well and welcome back!! Hope to meet you on some of the Texas events sometime. Too bad you missed the Dallas one last week.
    Best Regards,

    Jeff
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    thanks jeff. i'll reach out to bill this week. thanks for all of these suggestions. also thanks for the welcome back too! would like to meet some of you guys. sounds like a great group.
    all the best,
    chris

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    Same here Chris but

    Quote Originally Posted by candersoh View Post
    would like to meet some of you guys. sounds like a great group.
    all the best,
    chris
    just be aware, Rifle says the price of admission to the group is drinking a bottle of Patron Tequila -- can you handle that?
    Best Regards,

    Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z8doc View Post
    just be aware, Rifle says the price of admission to the group is drinking a bottle of Patron Tequila -- can you handle that?
    Or two! HeeHee

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    I think we each drank a bottle each that night.....
    Best Regards,

    Jeff
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